The God before time? Why not the universe before time?
There is something that happens without fail whenever I debate a theist regarding the nature of the cosmos. Whenever we engage in such a discussion a theist never fails to bring up the cosmological argument. For any of you who don't know, the cosmological argument sets out to prove a first cause and attempts to do so like this: Whatever began to exist had a cause. The universe began to exist. Therefore the universe has a cause.1 and this cause is commonly thought of as a God or Gods. But the problem with this argument is that it only begs the question, where did God come from? Now of course we cannot apply the same argument to God for the simple reason that God supposedly never had a cause but instead has always existed. There are a few flaws with this claim that I would like to shed light on and the first and most obvious is the fact that time itself started with the Big Bang thus God could not have been around forever simply because there was no forever. Forever requires time and time is a by product of the universe thus the only way for God to exist "before" the Big Bang is if there were a God before time, in a sense, which leads me to my next point. When said flaw is pointed out theists then usually say "Well before time God could just have always existed therefore not needing a cause." But with this being the only commonly used (and somewhat plausible explanation for God) we can use it to also prove there doesn't need to be a God to create the universe. So if we go with the assertion that before the universe things could come into existence, or simply always be in existence, we can then say this: Since there is no time, there is no cause and effect thus something that happens or comes into being doesn't need a cause and with that assertion we can say that the universe coming into being wouldn't need a cause simply because there is no time and thus no cause and effect. So essentially, God is out of a job.